Tuesday, September 09, 2008

What goes around comes around?

I have been giving this some thought, mainly because someone I know that is a Miami fan won't let it die, and maybe there is more to the field goal at the end of the game?

Some of you remember that I pointed out that Miami has had some questionable scores in their past 6 wins. Well one of those was against Charleston Southern just a couple of weeks ago. Well it dawned on me that the coach at Charleston Southern has a connection to Urban Meyer. You see Jay Mills was a graduate assistant at Notre Dame under Lou Holtz.

Maybe, just maybe, Urban was reminding Randy that sometimes what you do unto others, others can do unto you.

33 comments:

Henry Louis Gomez said...

Ockam's razor:

Plenty of UF alums had the Gators -21 or -22. Beat the spread, please your donors.

Anonymous said...

Randy Shannon is that you?

Mergz said...

So this is what the "U" is reduced to - bleating about someone running the score up on the?

I guess the days of camo pants are long, long gone.

My final two points on this -

1. Having someone take a knee when you know they can score is, to my mind, far more humiliating. Nebraska did it to us on the final play of that 1995 NC debacle.

2. Miami, you are over estimating your worth here. We needed a good final score for the pollsters, same as we would with any other warm-up team. Our real season begins next weekend.

SRQDawgs15 said...

Mergz,
While I disagree with your first point on this, you may actually feel that way. It is, however, a lot easier to say that until it happens and you and other Gator fans react the same way people have reacted to you folks. Your second point is just flat out wrong though. If you think the pollsters value a 26-3 win any more than a 23-3 win you are kidding yourself. That may explain why the starters where in and why you guys were throwing for the end zone but it doesn't explain the field goal.

Henry Louis Gomez said...

Beating the spread does count in many of the pollsters' minds.

SRQDawgs15 said...

Which one, some had it at 23 or 23.5, this field goal didn't beat that. You only got it at 21 if you waited until Saturday. Beating the spread doesn't matter and it shouldn't. The only people that would cast a vote based on that are idiots that don't watch the games or understand how football works.

Henry Louis Gomez said...

The spread, as you know, is an expectation of how much better one team is than the other. Beating or coming close to that expectation is important. One game usually won't kill you but over the course of a season some might look at how many times you beat the spread. Also voters in the polls don't necessarily see every game. A 23 point win is more than a 20 point win.

Besides I already stated that many of the alumni surely had the Gators. As for what the spread was, I have to take your word on it. The spread I heard was 21.

SRQDawgs15 said...

You can't possibly believe that your coach chose to kick a field goal to cover the spread. If he did, your sports program needs to be investigated and probably placed on probation. I thought the post on this blog was being sarcastic, but at least that reasoning is more realistic than trying to cover the spread. At least just say, "we were rubbing it in." Hell, even the whole "our kicker needed game experience" line is better than this (even though this kick was barely more than an extra point, which he has kicked a few). The reason people are reacting like they are is because Urban Meyer talks all high and mighty in interviews (ie. the UGA celebration) and then acts in a completely different way (ie. runnning up the score, shady recruiting). At least Spurrier was just an outright ass and didn't shy away from it.

Henry Louis Gomez said...

I can say whatever I want because I don't officially represent the University but if you don't think coaches want to beat spreads to keep their alums happy you are DELUDING yourself.

SRQDawgs15 said...

Okay buddy...maybe coaches at Florida.

Henry Louis Gomez said...

Dude, I don't know what planet you live on but the one I live on has sports gambling. And alumni like to bet on their alma mater. The same alumni that like to donate to the athletic programs. Why not keep them happy and humiliate a rival. Two birds, one stone.

Henry Louis Gomez said...

BTW last thursday the spread was 21.5.

SRQDawgs15 said...

So then why do other teams and other coaches take a knee, put in backups, and run the clock out? Those schools must not have any alumni, huh? Or is it that those alumni just don't gamble? Not to mention, there are extremely strict rules made to seperate all sports and sports programs from gambling. I doubt your coach even knew the spread (or, at least, most coaches wouldn't have). Honestly, for someone who is listed as a main contributor to a pretty prominent sports blog, you really are sounding pretty stupid here. I didn't write a comment to start some stupid fight with one of you, but for some reason you just can't let other people voice their opinions on here. And, while we're at it, someone should really change the word "onto" twice in the last sentence of this post to "unto" like it is supposed to be. I mean you guys are supposed to be a "smart" blog, right?

Henry Louis Gomez said...

So then why do other teams and other coaches take a knee, put in backups, and run the clock out?

First of all not every game has the same circumstance we're talking about. The Gators were in easy FG range, it was 4th down and the spread was within reach. Clearly if you are already beating the spread you have no incentive (on this basis) to tack on more points. Same if you are way under the spread (example you are favored by 30 and are up by 20).

Those schools must not have any alumni, huh? Or is it that those alumni just don't gamble?

All schools have alumni and many of them gamble.

Not to mention, there are extremely strict rules made to seperate all sports and sports programs from gambling.

Yes there are. I never said Meyer had money on the game or that gamblers told him to do it. But if your wife likes roses and you drive by a vendor on the street, you pick them up. It's a gift.

I doubt your coach even knew the spread (or, at least, most coaches wouldn't have).

You truly are deluding yourself. Every newspaper sports page in the country prints the spreads. Every sports radio station has handicapping shows. They all deny knowing the spread but they all know it. Besides, as I asserted earlier the Vegas spread is set by experts and moves based on betting. It's a form of futures market that can be predictive. Knowing how the market feels about your team isn't a sin in my book and might well be an important piece of intelligence about your match-up.

Lastly, I'm the founder of this blog and you can say what you like but you can expect to be challenged. If you're looking for someone to agree with you all the time then I suggest you move along.

I'll pass your editing note along to the person who wrote the post.

SRQDawgs15 said...

Listen, jackass. There isn't one almighty spread. Every sportsbook is different and every casino out in Vegas is different. Not to mention, the random bookies and other ways to place bets. That's a big part of why your whole argument is just not realistic. Plus it changes throughout the week. You say it was 21.5 on Thursday, but I got it at 23.5 on Friday (and won, betting on UM) and a friend of mine got it at 21 on Saturday from somewhere else (and won, betting on UF). You didn't kick the field goal to cover the spread, you didn't kick it to get experience, and you didn't kick it because of Urban Meyer's buddy at Charleston Southern. You kicked the field goal to rub it in Miami's face and you would have scored a touchdown if you could have (but you couldn't) and even tried to do so. The problem is trying to cover it up with these excuses, which I know you Gator fans love.

Henry Louis Gomez said...

Hey fuckface, don't you think I know how spreads work? Spreads do fluctuate over time and depending on the book you use but the fact is that the move little and most books cluster around a number. The line I heard on the radio before the game was 21 and I found a gambling web site that had it at 21.5 last Thursday.

Have fun, douchebag. BTW I'm not covering up with any excuses. I wish we would have scored a TD and kicked an onsider to try to tack another seven on, so much is my hatred for Miami. I don't give a flying fuck what you or other sanctimonious sons of bitches think. Like your dogs never ran the score up on a rival?

Please. Quite while you're behind.

Henry Louis Gomez said...

And another thing, you say I'm covering up with excuses which is ridiculous. That's like saying "I couldn't have raped her at 8:00 because I was holding up a liquor store at 8:00. I was simply trying to explain what I thought was the most obvious reason for kicking the FG with less than a minute. No moral judgment just an observation that it's the easiest explanation.

SRQDawgs15 said...

Wow, didn't know you guys were so professional over here. If you know all about the spreads, then you know your argument doesn't hold any water. By "Quite while your behind" I suppose you mean "Quit" but I know how those Q words can be tricky. The way I see it I'm right, you tried to stick up for a friend that I wasn't even attacking and made yourself look stupid on your own blog. I'm sure Georgia has run up the score in the past (we have a long past of good teams, unlike some) but it doesn't happen now and hasn't for a good while. Anyways, sorry I so deeply offended you. Do yourself a favor and grow some thicker skin.

Henry Louis Gomez said...

You escalated it by calling me a jackass.

Ooh, I made a typo. Sue me.

I guarantee you that I find a case in which your pooches tacked on points in the final couple of minutes of a game which was well in hand in the last dozen you've played.

Henry Louis Gomez said...

Well looky here:

Your all-world running back was still playing in the fourth qtr against Central Michigan up 42-17. He scores a TD to make it 49-17.

To add insult to injury with 7:20 left the doggies added another TD to make it 56-17.

SRQDawgs15 said...

You can look if you want to, but the only way we scored late in a game that was already over was if it was done by the backups, the defense, or special teams. Maybe someone breaking a big run sometime (not throwing into the end zone with our 1st string and under a minute to play up 20). Plus, I already said I don't care about you guys running up the score to rub it in Miami's face, I expect that from UF. The problem is the excuses and ridiculous reasons brought up by Florida fans to hide it.

SRQDawgs15 said...

Like I said, Knowshon scored on a 21 yard run. The other score was a 1 yard run by a true freshman playing with the 2nd team. Want to try again?

Henry Louis Gomez said...

Dude,

What you don't understand is that I'm not trying to clean up something. I wish we would have won 100-0. I'm not trying to sanitize what happened on Saturday night. How could I be? I'm essentially conceding that it was done to please gambling alums.

I think you're naive if you don't think Richt knows the spreads.

Henry Louis Gomez said...

Who's making excuses now? What happens if Moreno blows out his knee scoring the 41st point of the game in the fourth quarter?

SRQDawgs15 said...

35-17 with over 7 minutes to play compared to 23-3 with 30 seconds to play, yeah, I don't really see a difference I guess. Oh, except for the team we played had an offense and the game was not over yet. And we scored on a long run that was designed to eat up yards and clock while you were throwing the ball into the end zone and kicking a field goal when you failed to score.

Anonymous said...

Two things:

One: Henry, stop feeding the troll. Either he's as amazingly naive and deluded as he seems, or he's just posting to piss you off. Either way, responding to him won't accomplish anything.

Two: Miami scored a touchdown in the 4th against Charleston Southern the week before with two and a half minutes left, when they were leading 45-7. Seriously, where the hell are they supposedly coming from some supposed moral high ground?

BeachGaBulldog said...

Teblow is such a loser, just like his coach. Randy Shannon questions Urban Meyer and Teblow doesn't like it? TOO DAMN BAD! I grant that Shannon doesn't have an argument about the field goal. What I take issue with his Teblow running his mouth about Shannon.
Teblow says all this crap about Crier, about "the kind of person he is". Give me a break. CUM is known for running up the score on teams with TDS, and he cries about an innocent celebration by my Dawgs in the game last year? Meyer is such a hypocrite, just like all the whining Gator players and fans. Hey Gatornation, GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU LOSERS!

Anonymous said...

Hey Gatornation, GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU LOSERS!

Mergz or Henry--any way you can delete this post? It's just abuse & serves no purpose.

And here's a second on feeding the trolls. Disagreement is one thing. When they start reducing themselves to gratuitous abuse, there's no longer any point in substantively engaging them (except to mock them). Just delete. You're the dictator here. You don't have to tolerate guests gratuitously spewing venom.

Of course, it's your blog. ;)

Mergz said...

We are in the circle of trust here, and we can say anything on our minds...

... wait, I thought we were in the circle of trust...

Anonymous said...

You show me a team that hasn't run up the score on someone and i'll show you a unicorn playing a fiddle with magic clouds for teats.

Kicking a field goal from the 11 yard line isn't running the score. Scoring a touchdown is.

And guessing from the username of 'thatguy' - having your entire team rush the field after a touchdown isn't exactly the beaming model of classiness either.

Live with it.

Anonymous said...

What ever happened to playing until the last whistle? The team had the ball and the opportunity to score...that's what the team is supposed to do. You don't just take a knee because you're winning.

Anonymous said...

The UGA celebration wasnt that big of a deal. I kind of liked it and I'm glad it happened. I think all UF fans were glad it happened... It gave us 15 yards plus another 7 for that individual penalty

LeakBrewerGator said...

BeachGaBulldog said...
Teblow is such a loser, just like his coach. Randy Shannon questions Urban Meyer and Teblow doesn't like it? TOO DAMN BAD! I grant that Shannon doesn't have an argument about the field goal. What I take issue with his Teblow running his mouth about Shannon.
Teblow says all this crap about Crier, about "the kind of person he is". Give me a break. CUM is known for running up the score on teams with TDS, and he cries about an innocent celebration by my Dawgs in the game last year? Meyer is such a hypocrite, just like all the whining Gator players and fans. Hey Gatornation, GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU LOSERS!


WOW! Either your profile is incorrect or your'e the most immature and unintelligent 48 year old I know.

So. let me get this straight, you have a problem with the starting QB taking his coach's side in a public debate? Makes a lot of sense to me. Get off your high horse and go blow your load over your keg-chucking QB in Athens.

I've been a reader of this blog for a while now. I'm sorry my first comment had to come in this form....